Hi:

The package already "Recommends: orphan-sysvinit-scripts", in same
fashion it could recommend systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-tmpfiles (or
the packages that provide those, systemd-standalone-tmpfiles and
systemd-standalone-sysusers, whatever follows Debian policy better).
Otherwise in cases like upgrading lvm2 (see bug #1014565) the full
systemd is installed unnecessarily.

Cheers,
GSR

That's a bug in the dependency that pulls in systemd.

Sysvinit is often installed in small containers, and I would be wary of
bloating them by 460KB with gratuitous dependences.


Meow!

This is weird, but I looked at how debootstrap resolves dependencies,
and this is indeed a problem. Did anyone look at whether adding the
systemd-standalone-tmpfiles package to the list of dependencies, instead
of relying on the virtual package, helps?

It’d be a Recommends. Power users have been annoyed since squeeze
enabled the installation of Recommends by default and have been
disabling it ever since :|

My guess is you don’t have systemd pinned away.

$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
Package: systemd
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1

Does it still want to install systemd with this enabled? (If so, apt
bug.) Does it successfully resolve this to systemd-standalone-tmpfiles
instead of exploding and refusing to do anything? (I don’t have a
suitably up-to-date sid system handy.)

Given how Debian currently treats nōn-systemd users I think asking
them to run with such a pinning (and not annoying maintainers so
much that they remove the standalone packages altogether) might be
sensible :/

Meow,
//mirabilos

If running debootstrap with --include systemd-standalone-tmpfiles replicates
changing the dependencies, then yes that fails.

Or do have you a better way of testing debootstrap with different dependencies I
haven't thought of?

I share that concern. And this solution wouldn't fix the issue for other inits
or initless containers.

Mark

Mark

The best solution I can think of here is that all packages, systemd included,
use the separately packaged tmpfiles implementation and that is the dependency
that debhelper generates when required.

But I don't know how to get the systemd maintainers to consider that.

Mark