Up until bookworm no visual bell was shown in vim on the console
with my configuration. Now in insert mode (only), when paging an annoying visual
bell is shown.

This is *not* occuring with --clean but from the Debian changes I
could not derive which settings fault it is.

(And I have no idea how to search in the docs for it).

As this is a (minor) regression, I'm reporting this. And if you have
any suggestion how to find out which setting this causes (except for
bisecting) I would be happy :-))
--- real paths of main Vim binaries ---
/usr/bin/vi is /usr/bin/vim.gtk3
/usr/bin/vim is /usr/bin/vim.gtk3
/usr/bin/gvim is /usr/bin/vim.gtk3

I would suggest first comparing the output of ":set" with "vim --clean"
and "vim". That should help narrow down which options differ from the
defaults and may affect this behavior.

You could bisect your config by placing the "finish" command in your
vimrc at various points to see what introduces the behavior.

Cheers,

Am Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:19:33AM -0400 schrieb James McCoy:

Thanks.

vim --clean
  background=dark     helplang=de         incsearch         nolangremap           mouse=nvi           ruler               scrolloff=5         ttimeout            viminfofile=NONE
  display=truncate    history=200         langnoremap       noloadplugins         nrformats=bin,hex   scroll=37           showcmd             ttimeoutlen=100     wildmenu
  backspace=indent,eol,start
  fileencodings=ucs-bom,utf-8,default,latin1


vim:
  autoindent          backspace=indent    helplang=de         incsearch           ruler               shiftround          shortmess=nxtToOS   smartcase           smarttab            visualbell          wildmenu
  background=dark   nofoldenable          ignorecase          laststatus=2        scroll=36           shiftwidth=4        showmatch           smartindent         softtabstop=4       wildignore=*.swp
  cinoptions=t0,(0,u0
  cpoptions=aABceFsJ
  fileencodings=ucs-bom,utf-8,default,latin1
  formatoptions=tcq2l
  formatprg=fmt -cu -w70
  listchars=eol:$,tab:>-,trail:_
  printoptions=paper:a4
  statusline=%<%f%y%m%r%=%l,%c%V %P
  suffixes=.bak,~,.swp,.o,.info,.aux,.log,.dvi,.bbl,.blg,.brf,.cb,.ind,.idx,.ilg,.inx,.out,.toc
  viminfo='1000,f1,"500,:50,@10,/100

Thanks, this made it easy.

It is the option "visualbell" which causes this behaviour. Until
bookworm paging worked in in insert mode with this option but without
visual bell, now it does.

Is this a delibarate feature change?

Greetings

           Helge

I'm seeing similar behaviour from `vim' under screen. Cursor keys work
fine. PgUp/PgDn while in insert mode have the desired action, but also
rings the terminal bell each and every time the key is used.

I have screen set to audible bell rather than visual bell - as I always
have.

This wasn't the case under bookworm. I did an upgrade using APT to
Trixie, all went well. I suspect it is related to this bug.

vim package version: 2:9.1.1230-2

Vim reports:
:set
--- Options ---
  background=dark     langnoremap         scroll=12
textwidth=80
  cindent           nolangremap           scrolloff=5         ttimeout
  display=truncate  nomodeline            showbreak=+
ttimeoutlen=100
  filetype=c          modified            showcmd
  helplang=en         nrformats=bin,hex   softtabstop=8
  incsearch           ruler               syntax=c
  cinoptions=:0,l1,t0,g0,(0
  comments=sO:* -,mO:*  ,exO:*/,s1:/*,mb:*,ex:*/,:///,://
  fileencoding=utf-8
  fileencodings=ucs-bom,utf-8,default,latin1
  formatoptions=croql
  omnifunc=ccomplete#Complete
  runtimepath=~/.vim,/var/lib/vim/addons,/etc/vim,/usr/share/vim/
vimfiles,/usr/s
hare/vim/vim91,/usr/share/vim/vim91/pack/dist/opt/netrw,/usr/share/vim/
vimfiles/
after,/etc/vim/after,/var/lib/vim/addons/after,~/.vim/after
  suffixes=.bak,~,.swp,.o,.info,.aux,.log,.dvi,.bbl,.blg,.brf,.cb,.ind,.idx,.ilg
,.inx,.out,.toc
  wildignore=*.ko,*.mod.c,*.order,modules.builtin

Comparing the termcap between Bookworm and Trixie reveals no differences,
so this is not a termcap issue.

Digging into VIM docs, there appears to be a setting "belloff". If I set
belloff=cursor, then the annoying behaviour goes away.

The VIM documentation states for this:

'belloff' 'bo'          string  (default "")
                        global
        Specifies for which events the bell will not be rung. It is a
comma
        separated list of items. For each item that is present, the bell
        will be silenced. This is most useful to specify specific events
in
        insert mode to be silenced.
...
        cursor      Fail to move around using the cursor keys or
<PageUp>/<PageDown> in |Insert-mode|.

The thing is, VIM is not failing to move around when using PageUp /
PageDown while in insert mode, but it still rings the bell unless belloff
is set to "cursor" - so Trxie's VIM behaviour and the VIM documentation
disagree.

Seems to me to be a clear cut VIM bug.