#1098727 util-linux-locales [INTL:de] or manpages-de: misleading reference in man fallocate in German translation

#1098727#5
Date:
2025-02-23 13:08:36 UTC
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For Debian stable / Bookworm it is:

Package: manpages-de
Version: 4.18.1-1

And this also is still valid for
util-linux-locales_2.41~rc1-1_all in experimental.

In file /usr/share/man/de/man1/fallocate.1.gz, which for
stable/bookworm is in manpages-de and for testing/trixie it is in
util-linux-locale, there is a misleading reference in the German
translation for the supported filesystems to parameter -d, --dig-holes.

The sentence in the English man page reads as follows:
"See --punch-hole for a list of supported filesystems."

This means that the list of supported filesystems is in the
man page itself. The supported filesystems are listet at the
description for the parameter --punch-hole.

The German translation currently reads as follows:
"Mit der Option --punch-hole erhalten Sie eine Liste der unterstützten Dateisysteme."

This sound like that you have to run fallocate with the --punch-hole
parameter to get this list. This is typically quite common, to have a
specific list like that generated with the program itself, to not
have to maintain a potentially short-lived list within the man page.
But it's not correct in this case, the list is in the man page and a
less ambiguous translation would be, for example:

"Eine Liste der unterstützten Dateisysteme finden Sie bei der Beschreibung zur Option --punch-hole."

Or more similar to the original translation:

"Bei der Beschreibung zur Option --punch-hole erhalten Sie eine Liste der unterstützten Dateisysteme."

Even a more literal translation would do the trick, yet this would be
not that unambiguous like the others:

"Siehe --punch-hole für eine Liste der unterstützen Dateisysteme."

Best Regards
hede

#1098727#10
Date:
2025-02-23 13:27:16 UTC
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Hi hede,

thanks for your report.

* hede <debian452@der-he.de> [250223 14:21]:

The translations for util-linux are handled by translationproject,
see https://translationproject.org/domain/util-linux.html

I've CC:ed the translation team and the last listed translator.

Best,
Chris

#1098727#17
Date:
2025-02-23 20:29:39 UTC
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Hello Hede,
thanks for reporting.

I'm CC: the translator who wrote this string (or touched it last, I
did not check) and the translator who is in charge of handling the
translation, both in manpages-de as well as in util-linux-locales.

Am Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 02:08:36PM +0100 schrieb hede:

Yes, this translation was moved from manpages-de to
util-linux-locales. After the release of Trixie, manpages-de is no
longer in the loop.

I personally like the 2nd version best.

If this is resolved before ~ end of march, I can "backport" the
solution to manpages-l10n/bookworm. Please inform me in this case, as
I'm not monitoring the bug actively.

Greetings

           Helge