Hi,

I'm letting this bug have RC severity because:

 - it interferes with files installed by another package (base-files) without
   coordination on actual user installations (not just during a live session)
 - the information "what release am i on" is a crucial part of what the OS
   should report correctly to the user (and to utilities querying the
   information)

I'm CC-ing Luca because the problem got introduced by this commit in
live-build:

https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/live-build/-/commit/24bfe093f82ccc134ab5d91fb4058ee0b52ec942

The commit is over a year old but the problem only showed now as users are
upgrading their installations that they made from a Debian Live CD from
Bookworm to Trixie.

The problem is this dpkg diversion:

mmmm@mmmm-linuxdummyvirt:~$ dpkg-divert --list | grep os-release
local diversion of /etc/os-release to /etc/os-release.debootstrap

According to the commit message the diversion is supposed to guard against
potential upgrades of base-files overwriting the contents of /etc/os-release
with its own contents. The problem is, that the calamares installer which can
be used from a Debian Live CD to permanently install Debian, creates a copy of
the Debian Live system and installs that to the disk. This includes the
diversion which was only meant for the live system itself.

There are multiple things to fix here:

 1. live-build itself should clean up the diversion after it is done installing
    (and potentially upgrading) the packages that end up on the live CD. The
    diversion is not useful anymore on the running Debian Live system itself.
    Once that is done, new installations made with Calamares will no longer
    include that diversion for the upgrade from Trixie to Forky.

 2. existing installations of Debian Bookworm that were made with Calamares
    from the Debian Live CD should somehow have the diversion cleaned up such
    that the contents of /etc/os-release after the upgrade reflect what
    base-files ships. Since a system installed from a Debian Live CD with
    calamares also installs the live-* packages, maybe a new upload of
    live-config or live-tools could contain a postinst maintainer script which
    performs the necessary magic?

Maybe the second part should be done quickly because there are a bunch of
users out there which are currently very confused by this issue:

 - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1mmbjdh/old_etcosreleases_file_after_upgrading_to_debian/
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1mmldrq/upgraded_to_debian_13_but_still_showing_as/
 - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1moe5bz/trixie_upgrade_doesnt_upgrade_etcosrelease/

Unfortunately I don't have a reddit account, so I cannot be of further
assistance on that platform.

Thanks!

cheers, josch

This was meant to be applied only in the read-only portion of the live
image filesystem, as it contains image IDs that makes sense for an
immutable image to identify it, but not for an upgradable rootfs. If it
gets copied to an installed disk then something went wrong somewhere
and yeah it should be fixed.

I am not really familiar with calamares so not surprised I missed it,
if you know what to do would you be able to send a MR on Salsa to fix
it please?

Hi bluca,

The Bananas port of Debian to Apple Silicon [1] uses live-build to build
its OS images and is also affected by this. To give you an extra
pointer, we use the `--system normal` option to lb_config to build our
rootfs. That option is described as

```
defines if the resulting system image should be a live system or a
normal, non-live system
```

which implies the rootfs is upgradable. Another option which produces an
upgradable rootfs is `--debian-installer live`,

```
When live is chosen, [...] instead of installing the debian system from
packages from the medium or the network, it installs the live system to
the disk
```

Whatever solution is found to this bug, please keep in mind these two
options exist. I don't know if calamares uses the latter of if it uses a
completely different mechanism.

Cheers!


[1] https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1

Hi,
upgrades of base-files that happen *during* image creation?

If the diversion is somehow useful during image creation, the easiest fix might
be to just remove the diversion at the end of the image creation process. If
the diversion does not end up in the live system, then calamares cannot copy it
over.

Also: this is just addressing how to fix the problem going forward. The more
pressing fix (I think) is to think about how to fix existing installations
which have the wrong /etc/os-release because of this.

Somebody (and not me within the next few days because I'm attending my
brother's wedding on the weekend) would have to come up with a clever postinst
script to clean up the mess and then get that into the next point release and
hope that users uprade their Bookworm before upgrading to Trixie...

Thanks!

cheers, josch

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 at 07:15, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> wrote:

Yes that's exactly it, so yes what you propose should be just fine.

needs to be deleted by the installer and replaced with a symlink when
copying to a persistent, writable rootfs as well. Is that code that
copies the rootfs in live-build or elsewhere?

Both Calamares and d-i use rsync to copy the content of
filesystem.squashfs to the installed system.

For forky (and hotfixing point releases) it would be possible to create
this diversion (or alternative) in a specifically crafted package (e.g.
live-hotfix-os-release) which could then be uninstalled in the final
steps of the installation (which currently already removes many
live-related packages).

With kind regards,
Roland Clobus

I see, do you have a pointer to where that code lives?
packages, who knows where they might end up... this is really a
workaround that is supposed to be for the image build only.

Besides, it's a generic problem, other image builders (eg: mkosi) also
write a local /etc/os-release as per specification, to add
image-specific metadata to it. So I think the correct fix here is for
the code that rsyncs to check if /etc/os-release is real file, and if
it contains the IMAGE_ID key, and if so delete it and add it back as a
symlink.

In the meanwhile I'll start with removing the diversion when the build
finishes: https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/live-build/-/merge_requests/437

This is not clever but does the job:

if dpkg-divert --list /etc/os-release | grep -q os-release.debootstrap; then
  dpkg-divert --quiet --local --remove --no-rename /etc/os-release
  rm -f /etc/os-release
  ln -s ../usr/lib/os-release /etc/os-release
fi

However, the main problem is where to have it - I just checked a
calamares installation, and there's no live-* packages unfortunately.

Is there any calamares-specific package that is installed in these rootfses?

Hi,

Quoting Luca Boccassi (2025-08-14 16:48:15)

thank you!

I cannot confirm. Did you install using calamares from a Debian Live CD of
Bookworm?

I have these live-* packages installed on my disk after installing from Debian
Live using Calamares:

live-boot, live-boot-doc, live-boot-initramfs-tools, live-config,
live-config-doc, live-config-systemd, live-task-base, live-task-gnome,
live-task-localisation, live-task-localisation-desktop, live-task-recommended,
live-tools

Thanks!

cheers, josch

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 at 16:04, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> wrote:

No, it was trixie/stable from https://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Hello josch,

I'm quite amazed by this result. The live-* packages (and calamares)
should have been removed after installation.

Which image did you use, can you provide the URL?

The trixie-prerelease ISO GNOME image shows no such packages after
installing with Calamares, see:
https://openqa.debian.net/tests/429395#step/_collect_data/14

With kind regards,
Roland

I don't think it should be dealt with by live-build or calamares. As our
Bananas port shows, this bug may have propagated to unexpected use-cases
and gotten out of the control of both of them. Our users certainly
wouldn't receive the fix that way, as we don't use calamares as an
installer and uninstall all live-* packages. Regardless of how ugly it
may look, base-files itself may be the best place where to add the
postinst script.

Most definitely not base-files - if there really isn't any
live-related package left installed, I'll put it in
init-system-helpers - please double and triple check if there's
anything else that is live-related. Thanks

Would anyone be able to point me to where these rsync calls are made,
please? Tried looking around in live-build and couldn't find them.

One is in Calamares:
https://sources.debian.org/src/calamares/3.3.14-3/src/modules/unpackfs/main.py?hl=181#L181
The other one is somewhere in the d-i, I don't have a URL at hand at the
moment.

Here is the code to remove the live-related packages in d-i:
https://sources.debian.org/src/live-installer/58/finish-install.d/14remove-live-packages

With kind regards,
Roland

Is this 14remove-live-packages called also when calamares is in use,
given it removes calamares-settings-debian? If so I could add the
logic there

https://sources.debian.org/src/calamares-settings-debian/14.0.1-2/calamares/modules/packages.conf?hl=10#L10

With kind regards,
Roland

Confirmed, `dpkg -l '*live*' shows` we have no live-* packages installed
in any of our rootfs's, probably because they were never installed in
the first place: `lb config --system normal` does not create a
`config/package-lists/live.list.chroot`, which should be the package
list responsible for installing them in live systems.

Thanks!

This is now uploaded to unstable and also to trixie-p-u with unblock bug filed

Ok, and are we 100% sure that a workaround to fixup existing
installations via a package is actually needed? Given the remediation
is just:

dpkg-divert --quiet --local --remove --no-rename /etc/os-release; apt
install --reinstall base-files

If I were sure all our (Apple) users read the mailing list [1] and
no-one except for us was affected no, but it's quite unlikely for either
of these to be true. I answered one by one to (non Apple!) users I could
find on Reddit, but we can't chase them all.


[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm-apple/2025/08/msg00010.html

Can someone review
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/live-installer/-/merge_requests/4
please - tested with the d-i live installer image and it does what it
says on the tin

And same for Calamares:

https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/calamares-settings-debian-packaging/-/merge_requests/6

Once these get a +1 I'll team upload them, and that together with the
already uploaded live-build changes fixes new images. Need to figure
out if we need p-u uploads of the d-i packages or not, not sure.

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Hello,

Bug #1111039 in live-boot reported by you has been fixed in the
Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit
message below and you can check the diff of the fix at:

https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/live-boot/-/commit/e917e1fa6ae58496b86c2d875fbc112f949f5285
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Installers will remove live-boot from the installed rootfs if
they copy it from the livefs. This gives an opportunity to
adjust the rootfs for content that should not be copied
1:1 from the livefs.

Closes: #1111039
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https://bugs.debian.org/1111039

Jonathan suggested using live-boot.postrm instead of hooks in the
installer package, I've tested and it works with both flavours, so
I've uploaded live-boot now. I'll prep the same p-u update as well
shortly.

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
live-boot, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1111039@bugs.debian.org,
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Live Maintainers <debian-live@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Closes: 1111039
Changes:
 live-boot (1:20250815) unstable; urgency=medium
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:37:24 +0100 Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
<rclobus@rclobus.nl> wrote:
are made,
find them.
https://sources.debian.org/src/calamares/3.3.14-3/src/modules/unpackfs/main.py?hl=181#L181
hand at the
https://sources.debian.org/src/live-installer/58/finish-install.d/14remove-live-packages
use,
the
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/live-installer/-/merge_requests/4
what it
https://salsa.debian.org/live-team/calamares-settings-debian-packaging/-/merge_requests/6
the
figure

Uploaded to unstable and trixie-p-u.

Unless someone has a better (actionable) idea, I'll put the following
postinst cleanup in init-system-helpers which is prio: essential so
it's guaranteed to clean up every install:

if [ "$1" = "configure" ] && [ -n "$2" ] && dpkg-divert --list /etc/os-release | grep -q os-release.debootstrap; then
    dpkg-divert --quiet --local --remove --no-rename /etc/os-release
    rm -f /etc/os-release
    ln -s ../usr/lib/os-release /etc/os-release
fi

and push that to p-u as well

Hi Luca,

Sgtm. If you need me to test something I'll be happy to help.

affects 1111039 unattended-upgrades
thanks

Luca Bocassi wrote:

Thanks a lot. For completeness, I'm adding the above affects because a
recent thread in debian-user:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2025/08/msg00477.html

shows that this problem made unattended-upgrades not to work properly.

Thanks.

Hello,

Bug #1111039 in init-system-helpers reported by you has been fixed in the
Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit
message below and you can check the diff of the fix at:

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/init-system-helpers/-/commit/61cf4dab05caffc1428d394dc34bec9a5916df43
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Needs to be somewhere that will be for sure installed,
but all the live-* packages get removed on install, so
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guaranteed to be there to do the cleanup.
Can be dropped after Forky ships.

Closes: #1111039
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https://bugs.debian.org/1111039

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
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A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
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Changed-By: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Closes: 1111039
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Tested with both flavours of the live installer, seems to work fine,
uploaded to unstable. I'll let it be there for a day or two then do the
p-u dance as well.

the

Uploaded to p-u and unblock bugs all filed, so now it's in RT's hands,
both for accepting these packages and eventually rebuilding the live
installer images (next point release I imagine?)

Hi Luca!

Thanks a lot for the uploads! Shouldn't the fix in init-system-helpers be
uploaded to bookworm-pu too? Many users are going to update to trixie these
days and their bookworm rootfs may still contain the diverted os-release. I
mean, in theory any release could be affected, but bookworm is probably the
most exposed right now.

Cheers!

But the change that introduced the issue was added long after bookworm
was released? So the official bookworm installers should not be using
that?

You're probably right, but this bug was discovered because people had
issues upgrading from bookworm to trixie, which makes me think they're
possibly the largest affected group. Indeed, part of the initial bug
report asked for it to be fixed in bookworm.

But how's that possible? Where's the offending installer image?

oft yes the 12.11 image at
https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/latest-oldstable-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
does have the same issue, then I guess I don't understand how they are
built given that change was never in bookworm

I have no clue. In other cases [1] it may not even be the official
installer. Developers building images in testing when it was trixie may
have introduced the bug in rootfses of any past Debian release. Of
course it would be madness and probably useless to try and fix it in
all, but given the reports bookworm at least is probably needed.

Cheers!


[1] Like ours, but we are good with the uploads you already did. Thanks
again btw.

Hello,

Bug #1111039 in init-system-helpers reported by you has been fixed in the
Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit
message below and you can check the diff of the fix at:

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/init-system-helpers/-/commit/2e77a3668fd3188de3016277fe66b066ecff0652
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Add postinst to work around live-build issue on some systems

Needs to be somewhere that will be for sure installed,
but all the live-* packages get removed on install, so
there's nothing else. This is prio: essential so it's
guaranteed to be there to do the cleanup.
Can be dropped after Forky ships.

Closes: #1111039
------------------------------------------------------------------------

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https://bugs.debian.org/1111039

Uploaded to bookworm-p-u as well

Thank you!

Hi,

A short note, as I'm currently short on time:

* I've been a bit overwhelmed by the amount of messages in a relatively
short time frame, I'm struggling to keep up
* The official Debian live images are generated based on the status of
git on the date of their release
   * They are generated by the 'rebuild.sh' script [1]
   * That script takes the timestamp of the archive and finds a matching
version of live-build in git
   * All releases, including point releases use this, so stable and
oldstable point releases will have this bug
* Since live-build currently no longer has the diversion, upcoming point
releases will not have the diversion either
* Repairing the issue in live-boot does not help: the old, already
generated live images will not see that fix, and newer live images will
not need the fix
* I have not looked _why_ the diversion was present in live-build, so I
don't know yet whether there are side-effect during the build that
depend on the content of the modified file
* Bringing the fixes to backports are not technically required for
Debian, but derivatives which use the distributed version of live-*
packages might need it

With kind regards,
Roland

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleInstalls/LiveImages

It is needed but not a a workaround, please see the relevant commit
message for the explanation

Not everyone runs live-build from git, so updates to stable-p-u are needed

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
init-system-helpers, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1111039@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 14:39:01 +0100
Source: init-system-helpers
Architecture: source
Version: 1.69~deb13u1
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian systemd Maintainers <pkg-systemd-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Closes: 1111039
Changes:
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 .
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 .
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 .
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We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
live-boot, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1111039@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> (supplier of updated live-boot package)

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Format: 1.8
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Live Maintainers <debian-live@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Closes: 1111039
Changes:
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 .
   * Upload to trixie
 .
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 .
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A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1111039@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> (supplier of updated live-build package)

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Closes: 1111039
Changes:
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A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1111039@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> (supplier of updated init-system-helpers package)

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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:58:21 +0100
Source: init-system-helpers
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian systemd Maintainers <pkg-systemd-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Closes: 1111039
Changes:
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 .
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