#1115581 linux-image-6.16.3+deb14-rt-amd64: Boot hang with Creative Sound Blaster AE-7 [1102:0010]

Package:
src:linux
Source:
src:linux
Submitter:
David Chalmers
Date:
2026-09-27 00:51:01 UTC
Severity:
normal
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#1115581#5
Date:
2025-09-18 09:31:18 UTC
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#1115581#10
Date:
2025-10-08 14:00:25 UTC
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Hello,

it seems there are several problems (or a single problem affecting
several drivers). Does a normal (i.e. non-rt) kernel work better?

Best regards
Uwe

#1115581#15
Date:
2025-10-08 14:00:25 UTC
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Hello,

it seems there are several problems (or a single problem affecting
several drivers). Does a normal (i.e. non-rt) kernel work better?

Best regards
Uwe

#1115581#22
Date:
2025-10-19 07:06:38 UTC
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my reply didnt seem to work before, sorry about the delay i didnt
realise it hadnt appeared

no, a normal kernel doesnt work any better. ive tried this on a couple
of different machines, the ae-7 just hangs in all of them. other sound
cards, including previous creative ones, work just fine.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 16:00:25 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?=  <u.kleine-koenig@baylibre.com> wrote:

 > Hello,
 >
 > it seems there are several problems (or a single problem affecting
 > several drivers). Does a normal (i.e. non-rt) kernel work better?
 >
 > Best regards
 > Uwe

#1115581#27
Date:
2025-10-21 15:01:29 UTC
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Hello David,
problematic hardware into different machines and the problems then
appear on each of them, right? Do you have more than one physical card
to rule out a hardware defect?

Also there were problems e.g. in the ath12k driver. I assume these are
gone, too, when the sound card isn't asembled in the machine?

Could you try to provide a complete kernel log with the card? If you
don't find a better way, record the boot process on video, maybe with
boot_delay=100 to make the output a bit slower.

Best regards
Uwe

#1115581#32
Date:
2025-10-22 04:33:11 UTC
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Greetings,

Yes, test machines included a FX-9590 + 990FX, Threadripper 2990WX +
X399, etc, the problem happens on any linux kernel, any distro, so I've
learned this is not Debian specific now. I can still try to get a full
log if that will help, but not for some days, but I believe I have this
bug that had already been reported upstream, which I did not find at first:

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217510

Regarding the ath12k driver - in the specific Zenith Extreme Alpha
system I initially discovered this problem on, I replaced the stock
Intel AC wireless with a Qualcomm BE wireless. It shows those errors,
but it does work, so I have ignored them. Those errors remain with or
without the sound card, and are unrelated.

Debian works flawlessly when the card is not present. If more
information will help, I'm happy to try to provide it, but if this is a
matter for upstream, perhaps I simply need to wait?

Regards,
David Chalmers

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 17:01:29 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?=
<u.kleine-koenig@baylibre.com> wrote:

 > Hello David,
 >
 > On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 05:36:38PM +1030, David Chalmers wrote:
 > > no, a normal kernel doesnt work any better. ive tried this on a
couple of
 > > different machines, the ae-7 just hangs in all of them. other sound
cards,
 > > including previous creative ones, work just fine.
 >
 > Just to make sure I understood you correctly: So you plug the
 > problematic hardware into different machines and the problems then
 > appear on each of them, right? Do you have more than one physical card
 > to rule out a hardware defect?
 >
 > Also there were problems e.g. in the ath12k driver. I assume these are
 > gone, too, when the sound card isn't asembled in the machine?
 >
 > Could you try to provide a complete kernel log with the card? If you
 > don't find a better way, record the boot process on video, maybe with
 > boot_delay=100 to make the output a bit slower.
 >
 > Best regards
 > Uwe

#1115581#37
Date:
2025-10-22 09:06:21 UTC
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Hello David,

Not sure if waiting helps here.

Your card has the PCI id 1102:0010, in commit
https://git.kernel.org/linus/8a19bceef68d8e88c9790868eece76b928a32a16
Conner McAdams (on Cc) added a quirk for that ID, though that seems to
be for a card with a different name.

@Conner: Do you maybe have an idea what could be the culprit here? Find
the full bug report thread at https://bugs.debian.org/1115581 or the
above mentioned bugzilla.

Thanks
Uwe

#1115581#46
Date:
2026-09-27 00:40:27 UTC
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Full disclosure; I used AI tools to do this. I've managed to make it work.

I've put the method in GitHub. It is my hope that this can be used to
make it easier for a proper developer to fix this.

https://github.com/AffSeda/Creative_AE7_Linux