Dear Maintainer, After the latest kernel update, I am unable to shutdown my computer: Step 1: Click shutdown (I am on KDE). Expected result: Systemd does its thing, and within a moment, the computer powers off. Observed behaviour: Systemd does its thing, screen powers off, but the computer keeps running. After helping it out by holding the power button and rebooting, Systemd has no complaints about corrupted journal entries or anything like that. As far as it is concerned, it is recovering from a clean shutdown. It's like the kernel fails at the very last step: cutting the power.
So this is interesting. Filing this bug report appears to have fixed the issue (somehow). Literally the moment I file this, it’s fixed. What.
Alright. Someone please tell me what’s going on. I just wrote about it
being fixed after reporting this bug. I shutdown right after. Guess
what, the issue came back. So:
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Can’t shutdown
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I file this bug report
3.
That fixes the issue
4.
I report that it’s fixed
5.
That unfixes the issue
I swear I am not making things up.
So I did some more testing. It seems to fix/unfix itself at random; writing to you had nothing to do with it. Also rebooting always works.
I also have this issue, on 7.1.4 and 7.1.3, on 7.1.3 it was sporadic, on 7.1.4 its permanently broken. my lenovo ideapad 5 2in1 gen 9 refused to shut down properly when shutting down through either kde plasma or the sudo poweroff command, its an acpi related issue, the fix was to disable the amd hardware watchdog with editing /etc/default/grub by adding the quiet nowatchdog parameter in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. I blacklisted the kernel module aswell: sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/watchdog.conf.
Ok, rebooting now also causes freezes.
Greetings. I see this issue on upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled, on a ThinkPad T14 AMD Gen 5. So I think I can confirm that this is an upstream kernel issue. I have seen this both with shutdown and reboot with AFAIR any 7.1 kernel. 7.0 has been fine. It does not happen all the time but most of the attempts to reboot or shutdown the laptop fail like this: Black screen, but laptop power LED still on. Sometimes also the fan can be still heard. Some of the times I waited for minutes, but no change. Work-around is to force power off by pressing power button long enough. I am using Runit instead of Systemd so this issue does not seem to be related to PID 1. Best,
Hi all, Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? Can you additionally test 7.2~rc5-1~exp1 in experimental to verify if it affects still mainline? If you reliably can reproduce the problem and assert the problem then it would be helpful if you can bisect the problem (between 7.0.y and 7.1.y). Regards, Salvatore
Greetings Salvatore, greetings. Thanks for your reply. Salvatore Bonaccorso - 29.07.26, 17:13:35 CEST: […] Sorry I forgot to mention. Yes it is. Running 7.1.5 currently. I could look into it. Given a mixture of stability issues with the Linux kernel on various laptops I am a bit hesitant about release candidate kernels. Also this is not the only issue I am having with Linux on this laptop. (But the other issues have been happening before 7.1 already and are unrelated.) Have been using them before, but my general impression is that the general kernel quality deteriorated in the last years. So I usually wait for a vanilla release or even a .1 or .2 one. So maybe I wait a bit longer before I test 7.2. As I explained, I cannot reproduce the issue with absolute reliability. Sometimes shutdown and reboot does work. Most of the times it does not, but sometimes it does. Honestly written I do not feel like investing both the time and the risk to do a bisect on my main laptop. A bisect can lead into a state between rc1 and older release kernel. Filesystems, NVME and block layer could be in whatever unknown state and this laptop holds 3,5 TB of data. Which is backed up of course, but the effort to play back the backup from hard disk… I bet you get the idea. Also I may need multiple attempts to be certain whether the issue is actually really gone. This is the main reason I did not report this with upstream kernel community. They almost always ask for a bisect. Which can be very labor and time intensive way to identify an issue and can be risky as well. I know cause I did a bisect at least once. I wished the kernel could be more helpful instead of just not working correctly without any helpful error message. But usually it is just that: Some kind of crash without indication as to why. I am sorry if this sounds like a bit of a resignation. But actually it is. I am very surprised that this issue has not been caught before 7.1 release. This bug is happening on main stream hardware. So I am sorry but I think I cannot be of much more help here. I may try 7.2 before vanilla release. Until then I just use the work-around to forcefully switch off the laptop and be done with it I bet. (BTW I do not want to turn this into a discussion, but I wanted to justify declining your request for a bisect.) Best Regards,
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:13:35 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> wrote: > Control: tags -1 + moreinfo > > Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? > I can reproduce it in 7.1.5, my fix that i suggested with blacklisting the kernel module doesnt work either anymore. now its sporadic, sometimes it works and my ideapad properly shuts down, sometimes it doesnt work and it doesnt fully shut down (power led is on and the fan sometimes still runs). when it goes to sleep it often also doesnt wake up anymore and i have to shut it down with the power button. Regards, Simon
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:13:35 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> wrote: > Control: tags -1 + moreinfo > > Hi all, > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 11:51:03PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > I see this issue on upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled, on a ThinkPad > > T14 AMD Gen 5. So I think I can confirm that this is an upstream kernel > > issue. > > > > I have seen this both with shutdown and reboot with AFAIR any 7.1 kernel. > > 7.0 has been fine. It does not happen all the time but most of the > > attempts to reboot or shutdown the laptop fail like this: Black screen, > > but laptop power LED still on. Sometimes also the fan can be still heard. > > Some of the times I waited for minutes, but no change. > > > > Work-around is to force power off by pressing power button long enough. > > > > I am using Runit instead of Systemd so this issue does not seem to be > > related to PID 1. > > Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? > > Can you additionally test 7.2~rc5-1~exp1 in experimental to verify if > it affects still mainline? > > If you reliably can reproduce the problem and assert the problem then > it would be helpful if you can bisect the problem (between 7.0.y and > 7.1.y). > > Regards, > Salvatore > > lenovo t510 i7 m620 cpu nvidia gt218m i have tested with image 7.0.14 (works), 7.1.3, 7.1.4 & 7.1.5 (all doesn't work) and lastly 7.2 rc5 (doesn't work) 7.1.3 is also tested on a lenovo T410 (i5 cpu, intel gpu) and here it works fine
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:31:16 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:13:35 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso > <carnil@debian.org> wrote: > > Control: tags -1 + moreinfo > > > > Hi all, > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 11:51:03PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > > > I see this issue on upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled, on a > ThinkPad > > > T14 AMD Gen 5. So I think I can confirm that this is an upstream > kernel > > > issue. > > > > > > I have seen this both with shutdown and reboot with AFAIR any 7.1 > kernel. > > > 7.0 has been fine. It does not happen all the time but most of the > > > attempts to reboot or shutdown the laptop fail like this: Black > screen, > > > but laptop power LED still on. Sometimes also the fan can be still > heard. > > > Some of the times I waited for minutes, but no change. > > > > > > Work-around is to force power off by pressing power button long enough. > > > > > > I am using Runit instead of Systemd so this issue does not seem to be > > > related to PID 1. > > > > Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? > > > > Can you additionally test 7.2~rc5-1~exp1 in experimental to verify if > > it affects still mainline? > > > > If you reliably can reproduce the problem and assert the problem then > > it would be helpful if you can bisect the problem (between 7.0.y and > > 7.1.y). > > > > Regards, > > Salvatore > > > > > > lenovo t510 > i7 m620 cpu > nvidia gt218m > > i have tested with image 7.0.14 (works), 7.1.3, 7.1.4 & 7.1.5 (all > doesn't work) and lastly 7.2 rc5 (doesn't work) > > 7.1.3 is also tested on a lenovo T410 (i5 cpu, intel gpu) and here it > works fine > > -- > ole > > just tested 7.1.6 from sid and same-same still doesn't shutdown properly
same here, though its back to being sometimes it shuts down and sometimes it doesnt. 7.1.4 it never shut down, 7.1.5 it rarely did and now with 7.1.6 its 40% of the time or so. Simon
Simon - 06.08.26, 10:07:56 CEST: Still testing 7.1.6 upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled. AFAIR it did shutdown all of the times so far. Maybe I am lucky with an success rate of more than 40% and it just did not fail yet. Will continue to test and report back. Best,
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 17:41:37 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:31:16 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:13:35 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso > > <carnil@debian.org> wrote: > > > Control: tags -1 + moreinfo > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 11:51:03PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > I see this issue on upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled, on a > > ThinkPad > > > > T14 AMD Gen 5. So I think I can confirm that this is an upstream > > kernel > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > I have seen this both with shutdown and reboot with AFAIR any 7.1 > > kernel. > > > > 7.0 has been fine. It does not happen all the time but most of the > > > > attempts to reboot or shutdown the laptop fail like this: Black > > screen, > > > > but laptop power LED still on. Sometimes also the fan can be still > > heard. > > > > Some of the times I waited for minutes, but no change. > > > > > > > > Work-around is to force power off by pressing power button long > enough. > > > > > > > > I am using Runit instead of Systemd so this issue does not seem to be > > > > related to PID 1. > > > > > > Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? > > > > > > Can you additionally test 7.2~rc5-1~exp1 in experimental to verify if > > > it affects still mainline? > > > > > > If you reliably can reproduce the problem and assert the problem then > > > it would be helpful if you can bisect the problem (between 7.0.y and > > > 7.1.y). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Salvatore > > > > > > > > > > lenovo t510 > > i7 m620 cpu > > nvidia gt218m > > > > i have tested with image 7.0.14 (works), 7.1.3, 7.1.4 & 7.1.5 (all > > doesn't work) and lastly 7.2 rc5 (doesn't work) > > > > 7.1.3 is also tested on a lenovo T410 (i5 cpu, intel gpu) and here it > > works fine > > > > -- > > ole > > > > > just tested 7.1.6 from sid and same-same still doesn't shutdown properly tested 7.1.7 and for me it is still the same, all 7.1.x does not succeed in shutting down, not even once, they fail every time i try
For me 7.1.7 works with the blacklisted sp5100_tco module so far. it always shuts down and even reboots work.
simon - 08.08.26, 16:48:24 CEST: Regarding vanilla upstream kernel: Worked 100% of the times with 7.1.6 and 7.1.7. However only a few reboots with 7.1.7 already. So it appears there may be two issues regarding shutdown / reboot not working. One apparently may be fixed. Another one not yet? Maybe depending on which drivers / modules are loaded? However sp5100_tco is loaded on my ThinkPad T14 AMD Gen 5. It uses the watchdog module. So maybe two different issues in the same module? Should I experience a hang on shutdown or reboot again, I let you know. Best,
On Sat, 08 Aug 2026 17:33:43 +0200 Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > simon - 08.08.26, 16:48:24 CEST: > > For me 7.1.7 works with the blacklisted sp5100_tco module so far. it > > always shuts down and even reboots work. > > Regarding vanilla upstream kernel: Worked 100% of the times with 7.1.6 and > 7.1.7. However only a few reboots with 7.1.7 already. > > So it appears there may be two issues regarding shutdown / reboot not > working. One apparently may be fixed. Another one not yet? Maybe depending > on which drivers / modules are loaded? > > However sp5100_tco is loaded on my ThinkPad T14 AMD Gen 5. It uses the > watchdog module. So maybe two different issues in the same module? > > Should I experience a hang on shutdown or reboot again, I let you know. > > Best, > -- > Martin > > > > Appears to be fixed aswell for me, just removed the blacklist entry for the module, its now loaded again, I just had it blocked because on the 7.1.3 kernel that fixed it for me (also edited the grub entry back to quiet instead of quiet nowatchdog), that fix I did then didn't work for kernels above 7.1.3 and below 7.1.7 though. i did a few shutdowns and reboots so far both through KDE's gui and through the command line. I will also report back if I run into this issue again. Aside from the sp5100_tco module all other modules i have loaded or blacklisted are the same as in my initial report above. Nice rest of the Weekend, Simon
On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 19:36:01 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 17:41:37 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:31:16 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:13:35 +0200 Salvatore Bonaccorso > > > <carnil@debian.org> wrote: > > > > Control: tags -1 + moreinfo > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 11:51:03PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > I see this issue on upstream vanilla kernel, self-compiled, on a > > > ThinkPad > > > > > T14 AMD Gen 5. So I think I can confirm that this is an upstream > > > kernel > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > I have seen this both with shutdown and reboot with AFAIR any 7.1 > > > kernel. > > > > > 7.0 has been fine. It does not happen all the time but most of the > > > > > attempts to reboot or shutdown the laptop fail like this: Black > > > screen, > > > > > but laptop power LED still on. Sometimes also the fan can be still > > > heard. > > > > > Some of the times I waited for minutes, but no change. > > > > > > > > > > Work-around is to force power off by pressing power button long > > enough. > > > > > > > > > > I am using Runit instead of Systemd so this issue does not seem > to be > > > > > related to PID 1. > > > > > > > > Is this issue still present as well with 7.1.5? > > > > > > > > Can you additionally test 7.2~rc5-1~exp1 in experimental to verify if > > > > it affects still mainline? > > > > > > > > If you reliably can reproduce the problem and assert the problem then > > > > it would be helpful if you can bisect the problem (between 7.0.y and > > > > 7.1.y). > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Salvatore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lenovo t510 > > > i7 m620 cpu > > > nvidia gt218m > > > > > > i have tested with image 7.0.14 (works), 7.1.3, 7.1.4 & 7.1.5 (all > > > doesn't work) and lastly 7.2 rc5 (doesn't work) > > > > > > 7.1.3 is also tested on a lenovo T410 (i5 cpu, intel gpu) and here it > > > works fine > > > > > > -- > > > ole > > > just to add, i don't have issue rebooting with kernel 7.1.x only shutting down isn't working properly screen goes black, power led goes off but i can hear the system is still running at some level (gpu?)
Hello, Simon and Martin report to be happy with 7.1.7. Does this apply to you, too? Best regards Uwe
Some of the other folks who reported "me too" seem to be happy with 7.1.7. Can you please test that and report back if this fixes the issues you have, too? Best regards Uwe
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 16:56:31 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= <ukleinek@debian.org> wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:58:20AM +0200, Ole Carlsen wrote: > > just to add, i don't have issue rebooting with kernel 7.1.x only shutting > > down isn't working properly > > Simon and Martin report to be happy with 7.1.7. Does this apply to you, > too? > > Best regards > Uwe Hi, no, 7.1.7 unfortunately does not work for me, still won't shut down properly i can see 7.1.8 and 7.2-rc7 on the way, so will try with those when they become available
Forgot to cc the thread or something, so her yall go. Hello, currently on Linux 7.1.6+deb14-amd64, as reported by fastfetch. Due to the nature of this bug (only happening sometimes), I do not know how to test this reliably, other than using the computer for a while and seeing whether it learned to cut the power yet. Speaking of which, it does seem to shut down properly now, but I don’t exactly trust that it’s fixed just yet (see the second ever email in this thread).
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 17:44:09 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 16:56:31 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= > <ukleinek@debian.org> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:58:20AM +0200, Ole Carlsen wrote: > > > just to add, i don't have issue rebooting with kernel 7.1.x only > shutting > > > down isn't working properly > > > > Simon and Martin report to be happy with 7.1.7. Does this apply to you, > > too? > > > > Best regards > > Uwe > > Hi, > > no, 7.1.7 unfortunately does not work for me, still won't shut down properly > > i can see 7.1.8 and 7.2-rc7 on the way, so will try with those when they > become available > > -- > Ole > tested with 7.1.8 and 7.2-rc7 today but unfortunately no changes regarding shutdown issue
That means the issue is still present, right? To disentangle the issues (which obviously are not the same as others reported that 7.1.6 is fine), please start a new bug report using reportbug. Best regards Uwe
fixed 1141969 since 7.1.6-1 thanks OK, I will still close the bug to reduce the amount of open bugs for that it's currently unknown if they need more work. Please reopen if the issue occurs again. Best regards Uwe
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 14:04:08 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= <ukleinek@debian.org> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 08:01:18PM +0200, ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 17:44:09 +0200 ole.carlsen@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 16:56:31 +0200 Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= > > > <ukleinek@debian.org> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:58:20AM +0200, Ole Carlsen wrote: > > > > > just to add, i don't have issue rebooting with kernel 7.1.x only > > > shutting > > > > > down isn't working properly > > > > > > > > Simon and Martin report to be happy with 7.1.7. Does this apply to you, > > > > too? > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Uwe > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > no, 7.1.7 unfortunately does not work for me, still won't shut down > > properly > > > > > > i can see 7.1.8 and 7.2-rc7 on the way, so will try with those when they > > > become available > > > > > > -- > > > Ole > > > > > > > tested with 7.1.8 and 7.2-rc7 today but unfortunately no changes regarding > > shutdown issue > > That means the issue is still present, right? > > To disentangle the issues (which obviously are not the same as others > reported that 7.1.6 is fine), please start a new bug report using > reportbug. > > Best regards > Uwe yes it is still present for me i can see a new build for 7.1.8 (-2) and 7.2 is also released so i will just try with those and if no progress i will raise a new bug with reportbug