Hi Evolution packagers. After upgrading my system yesterday, I was unable to read email using evolution today. Everything related to working online (including the "Work offline" menu item) was grayed out. What's worse, there is no feedback from evolution as to why it would not allow me to get my new email. After fighting pidgin on a netbook for hours I guessed the problem is the same thing: Without asking the user or leaving any loophole, the "$&%!"$ software relies on the indication of network-manager if the system is online. However, I did not willingly install network manager on this system. I wanted to try the current KDE and installing kde pulled network manager in. Given that I don't want a complex software managing my GBit local ethernet adapter (ifup works fine, while network-manager has failed me many times), I went ahead and removed network-manager and anything related from my system. After restarting evolution, I can now use it again. Having to fight the system to tell it that the network is in fact available feels like the worst days of Windows usage for me. Can we stop going that "user-friendly" route? I am not directly opposed to using network-manager as indication that the system is offline. However, it should be easy to find out (using a tooltip on the grayed menu entry, anything that pops up automatically). I consider refusing to work without any indication as quite childish. As you can see from the length of the email, this tripped a nerve for me. I hope you can understand my point and coordinate with upstream to improve the situation. Thanks for your work! Torsten
Like it or not, people do want that. And, as you noticed, you're not forced to use network-manager (as a matter of fact, I don't, which is why I didn't really detected the network-manager support was disabled in 2.28). If it's just an indication, it's useless. As I see it, the goal is to prevent unneeded, time/power/cpu/network consuming connection, when you know there's no chance they'll survive. If you don't like being patronized (which I can get), yes, you should get rid of network-manager. Now, maybe an indication in the menu saying why evolution is offline might be helpful (though “offline because offline” might not exactly be helpful, and afaiui the system offline state could be set by something else than network-manager). Please report upstream issues like this directly on upstream bugzilla, I don't have time to handle all bug reports on evolution stack, sorry. Cheers,
retitle 582358 impossible to override offline mode when using network-manager forcemerge 582358 584200 587302 thanks Doesn't this sound like #584200 or #582358? Now, like for all the other bug reports, I don't have network-manager (and I'm not interested in it), so I can't test. Maybe there's a bug and people should be able to override the offline mode even when using network-manager (though imho the whole point of NM is to give it your network keys and let it do what it want, if you don't like it, don't use it at all). But I have no way to check, so your best bet is to open the bug *upstream* (there's now a text asking for that when using reportbug), so you can explain exactly the wanted behavior and argue with them (check before if there's no upstream issue already opened, though) Regards,
retitle 582358 impossible to override offline mode when using network-manager forcemerge 582358 584200 587302 thanks Doesn't this sound like #584200 or #582358? Now, like for all the other bug reports, I don't have network-manager (and I'm not interested in it), so I can't test. Maybe there's a bug and people should be able to override the offline mode even when using network-manager (though imho the whole point of NM is to give it your network keys and let it do what it want, if you don't like it, don't use it at all). But I have no way to check, so your best bet is to open the bug *upstream* (there's now a text asking for that when using reportbug), so you can explain exactly the wanted behavior and argue with them (check before if there's no upstream issue already opened, though) Regards,
Le 27/06/2010 14:22, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : Sorry, you're right. offline mode. However: - Evo should look at interfaces not managed by NM; - the user must be able to change this descision. system may have several interfaces, some are managed by NM, other not. Thank you. Regards
Le 27/06/2010 14:22, Yves-Alexis Perez a écrit : Sorry, you're right. offline mode. However: - Evo should look at interfaces not managed by NM; - the user must be able to change this descision. system may have several interfaces, some are managed by NM, other not. Thank you. Regards
Dear Maintainer, the installation of network-manager was enforced by dependencies to gnome to my system and is also "suggested" by evolution. But the connection to the internet/LAN is configured reliable by if-up. So there is no need use network-manager, even it is installed. Unfortunally evolution shows the "user friendlyness" of Windows 3.11: It refuses to access the reachable internet! Greetings Juergen