Hi,

at the moment the code of conduct contains:

| When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
| copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be
| copied.

There is a recent thread[1] on debian-project in which everyone replying
violated above quoted rule (although the "common sense" rule might make
this violation void).   I hope we agree that in this case sending the
carbon copies was appropriate.

Please consider adapting above rule to a less strict variant, e.g.:

 * In general, when replying to messages on the mailing list, do not
   send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly
   request to be copied.
 * Because some new Debian users (i.e., not Debian Developers nor people
   posting to Debian lists regularly) might expect to get a carbon copy
   even without explicitly requesting one, sending a CC to them could be
   appropriate in rare cases.

Additionally the following could be added:

 * Explicitly setting Mail-Followup-To: to the list's address reduces
   the chance to wrongly receive an unwanted carbon copy.


Regards
Carsten

 [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2011/03/msg00065.html

the thread mentioned here.


As Debian uses mailman for their mailinglists, are people aware that it
is has a "Receive your own posts to the list?" option?

If one would disable that (thus setting = "No"), you will not get a copy
of a mail sent to the list and where your destination is already in the
To/cc. Note that this can be set globally/per-list in mailman.

One then does not even have to guess that somebody does or does not want
to receive a direct copy.


As mentioned in the ticket setting Mail-Followup-To: avoids getting a
copy too.

Additionally the current code of conduct:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

has the following line:
"Do not send automated out-of-office or vacation messages."

While there are apparently some people sending automated

8<------
I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC me:

http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

No need to reply to this message.
---------->8

I suggest that people who are able to automatically send that kind of
things should at least do one of the above two things...



Alternative option: is there a addon to Thunderbird which makes/forces
"Reply-All" to behave like "Reply-To-List" for debian.org mailinglists?


Greets,
 Jeroen

Jeroen Massar schrieb am Monday, den 11. March 2013:
we don't use mailman and we don't have these option.

Alex

* Carsten Hey <carsten@debian.org> [2011-04-03 22:08]:

Some would consider that negative training, whereby new users are
taught bad habits and form wrong expectations.

There is also a risk of missed messages. If just one person breaks the
rule in that circumstance and others follow the rule, the OP might
only see messages from the rule breaker. If Adrian had uniquely
followed the rules, the OP might see only Henrique’s reply and look no
further. If they had both followed the rules, the OP would have
received no reply (if unsubscribed) which would potentially prompt
them to check the list.

“Potentially” is a key there.. The current policy facilitates a /zero
personal reply zero check/ anomaly, where the user does not consider
checking the list for replies and misses all replies. I wonder if a
technical change could mitigate that.

In principle, when an unsubscribed author sends a message, perhaps the
mailing list should autorespond saying:

  “Your message was posted here: $URL. That is where you should check
   for replies.”

That would be a good enhancement request for whatever mailing list
software they are using.

Or alternatively/additionally, the mailing list software could go
above and beyond and track msgs by non-subscribers and either signal
them on replies to just their message or send a periodic digest of
replies. That feature could even be user-togglable. Maybe overkill,
but worth consideration IMO.

Good point.. I would concur with that amendment. (not that it
matters.. I have no sway on these changes)

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