Hi, a typical GNOME desktop has gnome-terminal installed and this should be the most prominent terminal application known to its users. Since version 276-1 the xterm package provides another two icons to start other terminal applications, that are not at all integrated into the GNOME desktop, though. While I have no doubt these two additional starters are valuable in desktop environments that do not provide their own terminal application, they are simply confusing and redundant in GNOME. Thus, please cosider adding a line "NotShowIn=GNOME" to the two corresponding desktop files. Thanks, Fabian
Quoting Fabian Greffrath <fabian@greffrath.com>: I saw that in Ubuntu #129041; however a better fix would be to distribute the desktop files in a separate package, e.g., "xterm-desktop", which depends on xterm. There's no argument to the fact that people who would install that would get what they're asking for, without being filtered through the biases of the gnome developers.
Quoting Fabian Greffrath <fabian@greffrath.com>: I saw that in Ubuntu #129041; however a better fix would be to distribute the desktop files in a separate package, e.g., "xterm-desktop", which depends on xterm. There's no argument to the fact that people who would install that would get what they're asking for, without being filtered through the biases of the gnome developers.
Am 18.10.2011 13:56, schrieb Thomas E. Dickey: Not installing the desktop files will raise other issues, c.f. <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609363#c6>. So, please keep them in the xterm package but hide them from the menus. - Fabian
Am 18.10.2011 13:56, schrieb Thomas E. Dickey: Not installing the desktop files will raise other issues, c.f. <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609363#c6>. So, please keep them in the xterm package but hide them from the menus. - Fabian
Monday, October 17, 2011 4:17 PM Fabian Greffrath wrote: Gnome desktop - new-features? cc: ing to possible interested list and devs.
well perhaps there are 3 categories of users: a) people who intentionally use xterm (and don't mind the menus) b) people who more/less accidentally run xterm c) other (probably not gnome developers) Are you addressing (b)?
Am 18.10.2011 18:14, schrieb Will Set: What exactly do you mean? gnome-terminal has always been a dependency of gnome-core.
Am 18.10.2011 23:17, schrieb Thomas Dickey: I am not addressing a specific user category and I am not a gnome developer. It is just a matter of fact that gnome (and kde, xfce and lxde, btw) have their own well integrated terminal applications and thus xterm should not show up as an additional alternative in the menus *in these desktop environments*. It may still show up in openbox, windowmaker and whatever. I am merely suggesting to add "NotShowIn=GNOME" to the desktop files, not "NoDisplay".
Without further qualifications then, you appear to be suggesting that only applications which are part of gnome should be allowed to show up in its menus (for instance emacs isn't). To pointedly *exclude* xterm, there should be some better justification than that it's not part of gnome. awai
Am 19.10.2011 10:23, schrieb Thomas Dickey: GNOME already has its own, well integrated terminal application installed by default! Is this so hard to understand? And guess what, it keeps itself out of the menus of other desktop environments which ship their own respective terminal application, too: $ grep ShowIn /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop OnlyShowIn=GNOME;
..snip you didn't answer my question - you only repeated your previous statement.
Am 19.10.2011 11:28, schrieb Thomas Dickey: Only applications for which there is no appropriate replacement already provided as part of GNOME should show up in the GNOME menu. xterm is replaced by GNOME's own gnome-terminal in every regard. When it comes to emacs, generally gedit is the editor bundled with GNOME, but emacs is so "special" in its UI that this may justify it showing up in GNOME's menu. Furthermore, emacs has to get explicitely installed and is thus present on the system by will of the administrator; xterm is installed by default.
advice is being followed. Back to my point: why are you singling out xterm? that's an untruthful comment, of course. bye
Am 19.10.2011 11:45, schrieb Thomas Dickey: For these cases there is still /etc/gnome/menus.blacklist Because it suddenly began to show an icon in the menus and did not before. But I am not singling out xterm, it is just that it caught my attention right now. I have already filed similar bug reports in the past, e.g. #579160 or #579154. Hehe, let's say it's biased. ;)
________________________________ Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:22 AMFabian Greffrath wrote: Depending on, which of the current changes made to Gnome in Debian experimental, get released to Debian unstable in the next few weeks, the request to hide xterm icons from the gnome-desktop maybe a moot point. Please take a look at the gnome-menu rewrite ... and see if the xterm icons still adversely affect the Gnome-Desktop experience.
Am 19.10.2011 16:41, schrieb Will Set: I am using the fallback session (i.e. gnome-panel with classic menu) of GNOME 3 myself. That's how this icon caught my attention. The fact that it probably will not show up on the firts page of gnome-shell's application overview does not imply that this issue should remain unfixed.
________________________________ Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:48 AM Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am 19.10.2011 16:41, schrieb Will Set: sorry, I don't follow.. are you planning to look at the gnome-menu rewrite?
Now I want to know how to do the opposite. I feel like an incomplete menu is a broken one. If I installed xterm, and konsole I want them in my menu that's why I installed them, and I want this for all users by default.
This might help (I'd seen essentially the same statement more than once, though I don't recall which people) - numbers instead of subjective comments: http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#compare_versions
Le mercredi 19 octobre 2011 à 10:41 -0700, Daniel Johnson a écrit : The blacklist being system-wide, you can change that for all your users.
Am 19.10.2011 17:10, schrieb Will Set: I am currently using gnome-panel 3.0.2-1 and gnome-menus 3.0.1-2, but that's not the point. If using gnome-shell instead of the fallback session, both of the xterm icons appear as soon as I typed "ter" in the Activities overview.
Am 19.10.2011 19:41, schrieb Daniel Johnson: I don't know why you would want to use KDE applications in GNOME, but you can try to enable their menu icons with alacarte or you can simply copy their respective desktop files into your ~/.local/share/applications directory.
Dear Maintainer, Not sure if this is related to this, but on gnome3.0 it is impossible to launch xterm from the GUI. starting up DASH (or whatever gnome3 ui is called) and typing "xterm" return in an emtpy screen. i Set xterm as my default terminal by: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal exec /usr/bin/xterm and even then, selecting "terminal" from that list launch gnome-terminal. and from gnome-terminal i have to launch xterm... it is really weird that i can't launch a program by its name from the GUI
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