Hi there!

While this is more a discussion internal to the Events Team, I would
like to raise it up to a broader audience (once and for all, even this
is only a hope).

Currently, the "entry" page is DebianEvents [1].  I would have preferred
to simply have it as Events, for two reasons: we are on the Debian wiki
and most of the events Debian participate are not organized by Debian,
thus no distinction needed [2].  Nevertheless, this is a minor problem.

[1] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents>
[2] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents#Detailed_information>

That page has a structural problem, given that the information in the
section "Adding a new event" [3] do not reflect the links just after
that section.  The current instruction advises to use the name
"de/2012/LinuxTag" (country code, year, event name), while OTOH the
links below are for events related to a language:

* DebianEvents/de: Events in the German-speaking countries
* DebianEvents/fr: Events in the French-speaking countries
* DebianEventsNordic: Events in the Nordic region (i.e. Iceland, Norway,
                      Sweden, Finland, Denmark)
* DebianLatinoamerica/LocalMeetings: meetings in Latin American
                      countries

[3] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents#Adding_a_new_event>

I would enforce the "country-code/year/event-name" policy, which I know
also means quite a lot of changes.  Also because otherwise we could end
up having language "middleware" pages [4], which should be avoided IMHO.

[4] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/fr/>

Actually, I discovered this because after having created the wiki page
for the RMLL 2012 [5] and having sent the coordination email [6] someone
privately told me about an existing page for the same event [7].  I have
now merged the two pages, redirecting the fr [7] to the ch one [6].

[5] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/ch/2012/RMLL>
[6] <http://lists.debian.org/87zk91h6qe.fsf@gismo.pca.it>
[7] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/fr/2012/LSM>

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

Hi Luca,

While I appreciate having discussion, I'd like to point out that the
*public* discussion on the issue you're reporting already exists:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2012/03/msg00027.html

Next time, please check the mailing list first.
Don't want to sound rude, but what is the point in writing detailed mail
about changes done in the wiki/doc/webpages if even the members of the
team don't read it?

Wait, I don't understand what you're saying it. I mean, yeah, we're on
the Debian wiki, and the events there are all Debian related. So, why is
it a problem to call the page Debian Events? Redundant?
The re-organization of that page is in progress (as you can read in the
mail linked above, sent ~ 2 months ago :)).
I don't see any problem in changing this thing: it's a wiki, isn't it?
And you are part of the Events team, aren't you?
So, why not just s/countrycode/languagecode/ in the instructions, and
make the (past and future) events page consistent with this change?

Or if you want to discuss it why not replying on the relevant thread or
assuming you didn't noticed it, open a new one?

I could be horribly wrong, but I think that the BTS is not exactly the
preferred place to propose content changes for the wiki.


Thanks,

Francesca

Hi Francesca!

Point taken, please however note that reading something does not mean
you are remembering it (which does not remove my fault).

Redundancy, confusion (because AFAIK we have no *non*-Debian events) and
also we are generating longer-than-needed links.

Thank you, while I had forgot your email, I saw the already-done
reorganization work before and after creating the RMLL 2012 page.  This
is why I decided to publicly write about this problem.

I think there are some misunderstandings:

1) I prefer the current layout, i.e. country-code/year/event-name.

2) it is a wiki, yes, but *before* any action I would like to have a
   consensus, otherwise I do work which must be corrected later.

3) I want to *document* the rationale for future references, which will
   help us should we change the structure.  This is why I added the
   links to the wiki:

     <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents?action=diff&rev1=40&rev2=41>

4) I have already started re-organizing the other .ch pages I stumbled
   upon.

So, what is the BTS for and why do we have the wiki.debian.org
pseudo-package?  This is a bug, so I reported it as a bug.  The fact
that it is also easier to spot Events-related problem via usertags than
digging into mailing list archives is a more-than-welcomed feature.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

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Discussion apparently didn't go anywhere; nevertheless we don't need
a bug against wiki.d.o for this.

Closing for now.

C.