* Package name : nextcloud Version : 9 Upstream Author : Frank Karlitschek <frank@karlitschek.de> * URL : https://www.nextcloud.com/ * License : AGPL Programming Lang: PHP Description : self-hosted cloud services Nextcloud gives you a private, secure way to share, work with others and access your own data using an easy to use interface. Be it music, calendar appointments, bookmarks, email or your documents, Nextcloud keeps your data safe. Nextcloud gives organizations control over their data. Manage access to data and communication across devices and platforms, on-premise, on existing storage or with cloud storage. Nextcloud integrates in your infrastructure, offering the extensibility and features you need. Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult relationship with distro maintainers, there may be problems for packaging that correctly. But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian. Cheers, Xav
Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it properly.
Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.
Cheers,
Moritz
Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit : [...] OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view. Regards, Xav
Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff
Xavier> a écrit :
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
>> >
>> > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist
>> >
>> > * Package name : nextcloud
Xavier> [...]
>> > Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people
>> > behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a
>> difficult > relationship with distro maintainers, there may be
>> problems for > packaging that correctly. > But Nextcloud is
>> still a highly relevant package for Debian.
>>
>> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
>> properly. Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.
Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.
I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
Debian contributors... Well, I think it is the official Debian POV that
in order to include a package, we need to be able to support it.
Whether we will or will not be able to support nextcloud is up to
interpretation.
From a user standpoint, having something that has the functionality of
opencloud/nextcloud is quite important in the enterprise space.
However, we do need to be able to get things to work.
Le 22/09/2016 à 01:08, Sam Hartman a écrit : Moritz is an active and well known member of the security team. As the current (or previous…) almost only maintainer of owncloud in Debian, I do agree with this (strong) advice. The current ownCloud upstream maintainers reached back to us a few months ago and are willing to help (or at least not be as obnoxious as the ones who drove the package away from Debian, and are now gone in the nextcloud fork team). If someone wants the owncloud package back, I suggest them to join the current packaging team and eventually take over. Regards David
Hi David, David Prévot wrote: That still doesn't make his opinion "official". I don't think that something like an "official Debian opinion" exists at all. Do I read that right, the chances for nextCloud in Debian are rather low while the chances to get ownCloud back in Debian raised due to the obnoxious upstream developers left together with nextCloud fork and the remaining developers are more friendly towards distributions? Regards, Axel
Hi all, upstream Nextcloud explicitly listed the ability to skip releases as one of their goals [0], which should ease a lot of the problems of packaging for stable. They also stated that they hope Debian and other distributions would provide packaging (as they won't) [1]. Kind regards, Dan [0] https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-and-its-planned-update-improvements/296 [1] https://help.nextcloud.com/t/migrating-from-owncloud-to-nextcloud/551/31
Hi, e-gleich-m-c-quadrat@fantasymail.de wrote: At least owncloud-client is still in Debian: https://packages.qa.debian.org/o/owncloud-client.html https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=owncloud-client Regards, Axel
Having the nextcloud client in Debian is useful even without the server. Currently I'm using this build: https://m4lvin.github.io/nextcloud-client-debian-packaging/
In june 2018 there was https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2018/06/msg00187.html and a git repository created at Salsa
Hi, Does the situation has evolved since 2018 ? I see that the client tools are now in Debian, but is there any chance to have NextCloud server in Debian ? Upstream does not seems to provide any repository at all, contrary to ownCloud. Kind regards, Adrien
* Package name : nextcloud-server Version : 0.1.7 Upstream Author : Antonio Russo <antonio.e.russo@gmail.com> * URL : https://gitlab.com/aerusso/nextcloud-server-deb * License : AGPL * Vcs : https://gitlab.com/aerusso/nextcloud-server-deb Section : net Description : Nextcloud folder synchronization tool (server) Nextcloud is an increasingly popular software package. A first-class integration of Nextcloud into Debian is desirable, but represents a significant challenge because upstream development is unlikely to produce long-cycled supported releases compatible with the Debian release cycle. This packaging sidesteps that issue by providing version-independent tools to download, install, configure, update, and manage the server. Although unconventional, such tools are not unheard of in Debian [1,2]. The current version is suitable for beta testing, and should eventually reach maturity compatible with Debian stable. Thank you, Antonio Russo [1] ttf-mscorefonts-installer [2] libdvd-pkg
Hi, This does not mean we should make it a habit. Have you considered and researched the fasttrack project instead?
I think that nextcloud-server-installer would be a better package name. Also, presumably you are targeting the contrib section rather than the main section. How would you feel about an actual packaging of the server (rather than an installer) that used fastrack.debian.net? Fastrack is intended to handle products where the security lifecycle is too short for Debian releases.
Yeah, that would make sense. Yes, this would be contrib. I'm guessing this doesn't get into Debian proper at all then? Because I wouldn't in good conscience let such a package enter the release cycle (there's no way I could support it). I did not even know about fastrack, so packaging there may be of limited value (until it is further publicized, but I guess that's a chicken-or-egg issue). I'm not necessarily opposed to actually packaging the server, but it has node dependencies (and there's really no way I can even begin to tame that nightmare). Will fastrack be OK with a build that is basically npm install? I can try building something like that. Thanks, Antonio
You should fix the project license on GitLab, right now it's showing all rights reserved. That should be in the project settings somewhere... Also, have you seen <http://fasttrack.debian.net/>? That appears like it'll eventually allow a non-downloader package.