#864480 why is en_DK included but not en_DE?

Package:
locales
Source:
glibc
Submitter:
Marc Haber
Date:
2024-01-22 09:39:07 UTC
Severity:
wishlist
Tags:
#864480#5
Date:
2017-06-09 08:57:12 UTC
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Hi,

frankly, I don't have a clue whether I am filing this against the
correct package or whether I would need to talk to some (which?)
upstream for this, but maybe you can point me in the correct direction
if I am wrong here.

I am a native speaker of German, living in Germany. And I do detest
software translated to German since German translations of technical
terms are often clumsy. I would therefore love having my Debian in
English, but with German punctuation, collation order, monetary and date
display setting etc.

Since an en_DK exists, but no en_DE, I usually run my systems with en_DK
and correct the few differences between Danish and German customs
manually. This is, however, getting clumsy as well.

What do I do to bring a proper en_DE locale into Debian? I am willing to
do some work by trying to give a patch and to maintain it in the future.
Please advise what to do.

Greetings
Marc
#864480#10
Date:
2017-06-09 09:14:20 UTC
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Hello,

Marc Haber, on ven. 09 juin 2017 10:57:12 +0200, wrote:

No problem, we reassign :)

I guess this is what #842630 ("localechooser: Should support separating
language from localization") is about, then: no need for a new locale,
just a need for separating the language from the rest of the locale.
Otherwise we'd end up with a flurry of language/country combination,
that'd be unmaintainable.

Samuel
#864480#15
Date:
2017-06-09 10:15:15 UTC
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Thanks!

If all software was correct, yes. I have a few programs from the GNOME
ecosystem that still insist on their German l10n with this setting.

I must admit that I have never fully understood all the locale stuff in
Unix :-(

Yes, looks that way.

I was just astonished that the Danish get the privilege, and ther
Germans dont.

Greetings
Marc
#864480#20
Date:
2017-06-10 21:03:18 UTC
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This locale is there for historical reason. It has been added more than
20 years ago has a hack to provide "day, month, year" ordering, used in
most European countries except UK. DK has been chosen at that time. A
country from the Eurozone would probably have been better, but that was
not something really predictible at that time.

Aurelien
#864480#25
Date:
2017-06-15 16:07:07 UTC
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I tried reading up on this again. Which man page should I read aside
from locale (5) and locale(7), which does explain a bunch of LC_foo, but
neither LC_LANG nor LANGUAGE?

Greetings
Marc
#864480#30
Date:
2017-06-15 16:31:48 UTC
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Marc Haber, on jeu. 15 juin 2017 18:07:07 +0200, wrote:

Sorry, LC_LANG was a typo, I should have written LANG.
LANGUAGE is documented in info gettext.

Samuel
#864480#35
Date:
2024-01-22 09:13:51 UTC
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Control: tags -1
thanks

After revisiting some ancient things still maked as unsolved in my
notes, I have been running my system with that setting for a couple of
years now and it reasonably seems to do the thing I expect it to.

Maybe it is asking too much to have a setting to have T.M.D. date format
but english monthh names ;-)

For me this issue can be closed if you agree.

Greetings
Marc