Hi,

Attached is the following:

  commit 3394baf7ac1a3f3420881bcfebb8923bb9c5f07c
  Author: Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org>
  Date:   Sun Oct 29 18:29:02 2017 +0000

      Drop reference to floppy disks; it's almost 2018.

   debian/po/templates.pot | 2 +-
   1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

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Best wishes,

retitle 880122 hw-detect: Drop reference to floppy disks; it's almost 2020
thanks

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Best wishes,

Hello,

for review.

I disagree. It's a really weak argument. Are you really saying that people
are getting frustrated because they are reading the word "floppy"? That
doesn't make any sense at all.

I would understand the argument that the code would create additional maintenance
burden but that's not the case, so it seems we are fabricating arguments here
just to justify some sort of change.

Please do not remove documentation if a feature is still there just for the
sake of making a change. And if some people are offended by the word "floppy",
so be it.

Debian is supposed to be a universal system and that includes universal
hardware support.

Thanks,
Adrian

And I just saw the "argument". The argument was "It's 2018". That's not
an argument.

Adrian

Hi,

Holger Wansing <hwansing@mailbox.org> wrote:

To get this to an end, I will:

- simplify related templates, to remove the mention of "floppy support" from
  dialogs, as mentioned in the proposed patches in
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=880122#5
  and
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=939799#5;
- but keep the code unchanged, so that floppy support is still available for
  those, who still need/use it.

This should minimize the chance, that people get irritated/frustrated by
reading of "floppy support in 2020", but keep the possibility to use floppy
capabilities if needed.

I think this is a good compromise, which should satisfy all.



Holger

the longer form of the argument is: it's 2018 and except for 100 people
on this planet, noone is using floppies anymore.

"cognitive strain" is another argument. 90% of the people installing a
computer today have no idea what a floppy (disk) is. (for those who
don't know, it's the icon for saving a file.)

I like (the other) Holger's compromise.

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Yes, and it's 2018 and except for a handful of people, no one is browsing
the internet on a PC anymore. I don't see how this is an argument.

I don't really see the problem here. And I would like to see a source
for that 90% claim. I don't think anyone who is able to install Debian
using debian-installer doesn't know what a floppy is. Anyone who is capable
of creating a bootable USB flash drive will absolutely know what a floppy
is.

I really have the impression that some people are trying with all force
to smash out support for older architectures and hardware despite people
still being there to maintain it. We have one of the most successful
Bountysource campaigns for the m68k port [1] due to the still large
interest of the community to work with the port. And yet we constantly
have this argument about deprecating stuff "because it is too old",
it's exhausting really.

Debian is certainly not the distribution for Linux beginners so there is
really no reason to pretend that such changes make any difference
in user-friendlyness.

If you really want to make a change that imposes a major roadblock
for most users installing it would be including hardware firmware by
default. Because that's it what you see people on internet forums complain
about when installing Debian. I have never seen anyone claim "Hey, it
says floppy here but I don't even have a floppy drive on my PC."

Adrian