#953378 RFP: rake_nltk -- RAKE implemented in Python for nltk

#953378#5
Date:
2020-03-08 18:35:22 UTC
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Upstream:
https://github.com/csurfer/rake-nltk
https://pypi.org/project/rake-nltk/

Packaging:
https://gitlab.com/dpocock/python3-rake-nltk/-/tree/debian/sid

License: MIT

This package depends on python3-nltk, which has issues with blogs
downloaded automatically from elsewhere:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925294

Regards,

Daniel

#953378#12
Date:
2020-03-08 22:46:32 UTC
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control: retitle -1 RFP: rake_nltk -- RAKE implemented in Python for nltk
control: noowner -1

Dear Daniel:

As you are aware, you have been expelled from the project as a Debian
Developer and then later removed from the Debian Maintainer
keyring in response to ongoing concerns with your behavior.

For these reasons, it is not appropriate for you to maintain packages.
As Project Leader with concurrence of two members of the ftpmaster team,
I confirm that Debian does not welcome you as a package maintainer.  I
request that anyone maintaining a package based on packaging you have
prepared audit that packaging as if it comes from an external source.
Since you cannot be a package maintainer, I am retitling this bug to RFP
instead of ITP.


Moreover, it is inappropriate for you to describe yourself as a Debian
Developer, as you did in your message filing the ITP.  Constitution
section 3.2 notes that the Project Leader's Delegates (in this case the
account managers) may expel developers; in your case this has happened.
So, you must not describe yourself that way or represent yourself as
speaking on behalf of the Debian Project.  Without limitation to other
circumstances, this includes when interacting with the Debian community,
its members, the BTS, and (without limitation) other aspects of the
community.  Such misrepresentations are unacceptable behavior in our
community.

In response to some of the same actions that ultimately ended up in your
key being removed from the maintainer's keyring, you were banned from
all our lists.
I reviewed how to respond to this ITP with members of ftpmaster, members
of the account manager team and members of the community team.
As part of that discussion, the question came up as to whether you were
welcome at all in our community.
With the concurrence of members of the account managers, ftpmaster, and
community team, I conclude that you are not welcome in the Debian
Project.
Please stop all interactions with our lists, our BTS, our forums,
salsa.debian.org, and any other Debian Project communications channels.
Allowing your activity and presence in our community would only
support behavior that is not welcome in our community--behavior that you
have declined to stop despite multiple requests from multiple parties
over an extended period of time.


As a general rule, the project avoids discussing expulsions in public.
However, your choice to represent yourself as a Debian Developer and to
attempt to act as a Debian Developer after you have been expelled put
the project in a position where we have chosen to make an exception to
that general rule so that our community can understand the situation and
understand that we do value acting to make Debian a place where people
can work free from disruption or harassment.

Sam Hartman
Debian Project Leader

#953378#21
Date:
2020-03-09 19:09:41 UTC
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Dear Sam

From an outsider perspective, this doesn't look like something that belongs in the bug system.  I don't know your point of view but it looks spiteful.

The volunteer was elected as a community representative and he's been hounded ever since.  It looks like he asked people to stop these games, he resigned and he was still chased.

Making up reasons and stories to justify this retrospectively doesn't wash with me.  Nobody ever presented any evidence of wrongdoing before, you can't just make it up now and declare it to be true because you are the leader.

Please think about removing these records of vendettas from Debian.  You always talk about healing but there is no healing when these records are persisted in all the Debian tools, you are making Debian a target and setting the standard for future confrontation.

Melanie

#953378#26
Date:
2020-03-09 19:54:57 UTC
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Dear All,

That does not compute:  An outsider worried about "this".

In other words: The bullshit has been seen.


Request: Leave this crap as manure.



Regards
Geert Stappers

P.S.
I was thinking about how to feed poison to the troll.

Second thought is keeping toxic stuff out of the environment.
Yes, that is way better.

#953378#31
Date:
2020-03-09 20:19:52 UTC
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐


Debian can be better than this, really

#953378#36
Date:
2020-03-09 20:25:10 UTC
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    Melanie> The volunteer was elected as a community representative and
    Melanie> he's been hounded ever since.  It looks like he asked
    Melanie> people to stop these games, he resigned and he was still
    Melanie> chased.

The issue is that Daniel is still chasing us.
In this specific instance, I responded because Daniel filed an ITP.
If Daniel resigned and stopped interacting with the Debian community, we
would be a lot happier, and I would not have chosen to respond this way.

The primary issue from Debian's side is that Debian has asked someone to
leave--to stop interacting.  And yet they are still interacting by doing
things like filing ITPs.  We are not chasing anyone.  We are responding
and reacting to being chased on websites like debian.community, in our
own BTS, and in other fora.  We are responding to being chased by having
messages bcc'd to large numbers of our contributors even after we have
banned someone from posting to our lists.  In some cases, this has been
done by Daniel.  In other cases this has been done by people using
anonymous accounts using techniques that are very similar to techniques
described on a website run by Daniel.  We reject these forms of
interaction.  If it were not for these forms of interaction, we would be
much less vocal/much less interested in making public statements.

#953378#41
Date:
2020-03-10 06:49:11 UTC
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Acknowledge.  Please show that you understand the meaning of

  enough


Regards
Geert Stappers