This package has Build-Depends on GTK 2 (libgtk2.0-dev), or produces binary packages with a Depends on GTK 2. GTK 2 was superseded by GTK 3 in 2011 (see <https://bugs.debian.org/947713>). It no longer receives any significant upstream maintenance, and in particular does not get feature development for new features like UI scaling on high-pixel-density displays (HiDPI) and native Wayland support. GTK 3 is in maintenance mode and GTK 4 is approaching release, so it seems like a good time to be thinking about minimizing the amount of GTK 2 in the archive. GTK 2 is used by some important productivity applications like GIMP, and has also historically been a popular UI toolkit for proprietary software that we can't change, so perhaps removing GTK 2 from Debian will never be feasible. However, it has reached the point where a dependency on it is a bug - not a release-critical bug, and not a bug that can necessarily be fixed quickly, but a piece of technical debt that maintainers should be aware of. A porting guide is provided in the GTK 3 documentation: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/migrating.html Some libraries (for example libgtkspell0) expose GTK as part of their API/ABI, in which case removing the deprecated dependency requires breaking API/ABI. For these libraries, in many cases there will already be a corresponding GTK 3 version (for example libgtkspell3-3-0), in which case the GTK 2-based library should probably be deprecated or removed itself. If there is no GTK 3 equivalent, of a GTK 2-based library, maintainers should talk to the dependent library's upstream developers about whether the dependent library should break API/ABI and switch to GTK 3, or whether the dependent library should itself be deprecated or removed. A few packages extend GTK 2 by providing plugins (theme engines, input methods, etc.) or themes, for example ibus and mate-themes. If these packages deliberately support GTK 2 even though it is deprecated, and they also support GTK 3, then it is appropriate to mark this mass-filed bug as wontfix for now. I have tried to exclude these packages from the mass-bug-filing, but I probably missed some of them. Regards, smcv
Upstream does not want to move to another toolkit, so when GTK 2 is removed, ardour has to go as well. I guess we should at least keep ardour-lv2-plugins. It is also the only very popular package that hinders gtkmm2.4 removal so I suggest to reduce it to build only ardour-lv2-plugins for trixie. Do we have anything in the archive that comes close to ardour and that we can suggest to people as a replacement? lmms? qtractor?
Hi, I have never used ardour, but maybe the following alternatives could be noteworthy. For audio editing: lmms and kdenlive, although the latter is more aimed at video editing, but I have used it as well for audio composition. Alternative DAWs could be puredata and bespokesynth, the latter is in NEW. Best, Andrius
For Arch, upstream considers copying relevant gtk/mm libraries into Ardour's source tree. Would that work for Debian as well?
Upcoming Ardour 8.3 no longer depends on GTK2. Current Ardour/git (8.2-34-g4f5a801209) already dropped the dependency.
Ardour 8.3 has been released and no longer depends on deprecated GTK2 as a modified version is bundled within. https://ardour.org/whatsnew83.html Considering ardour has been scheduled for autoremoval on 06 March (#1061203), I highly recommend getting this updated as soon as possible to avoid this removal. Since the library is now bundled, the dependency on libgtk2.0-dev can be dropped. Thanks, Erich -- Erich Eickmeyer Ubuntu MOTU Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio Technical Lead - Edubuntu
Apologies, this has *not* been released yet, but will hopefully be released in the next week, so please keep an eye on uscan. Regardless, when it does get released, I will likely send out another email. Additionally, packages have been getting removed prematurely from Ubuntu prior to removal from Debian, so I'm getting a little trigger-happy, hence my email. Again, apologies for jumping the gun here. :) Erich
Ardour 8.4 has been released and no longer depends on deprecated GTK2 https://ardour.org/whatsnew.html Please consider updating Ardour before the autoremoval is triggered. Thanks,
build-essential gettext intltool itstool libarchive-dev libasound2-dev libaubio-dev libboost-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libcwiid-dev libdbus-1-dev libfluidsynth-dev libglibmm-2.4-dev libhidapi-dev libjack-dev liblilv-dev liblo-dev liblrdf0-dev libltc-dev libpangomm-1.4-dev libpulse-dev libqm-dsp-dev libreadline-dev librubberband-dev libsndfile1-dev libtag1-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev libwebsockets-dev libxinerama-dev libxrandr-dev python3 python-is-python3 vamp-plugin-sdk Various packages listed currently as build-dep are no longer required. Notably libsuil-dev, but also ladspa-sdk should be removed. Ardour never directly used libserd/sord/sratom either; and liblilv-dev pulls in lv2-dev. New dependencies are libxrandr-dev and libglibmm-2.4-dev. Cheers! robin
Hello, Bug #967257 in ardour reported by you has been fixed in the Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit message below and you can check the diff of the fix at: https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/ardour/-/commit/1a4ecb96c9a9b444454eddb6a379506c11694097 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Drop B-D on libgtkmm-2.4-dev Closes: #967257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (this message was generated automatically) -- Greetings https://bugs.debian.org/967257
We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
ardour, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.
A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.
Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you
have further comments please address them to 967257@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.
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Format: 1.8
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:03:29 +0100
Source: ardour
Architecture: source
Version: 1:8.4.0+ds1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Maintainers <debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <umlaeute@debian.org>
Closes: 967257
Changes:
ardour (1:8.4.0+ds1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
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* Drop B-D on libgtkmm-2.4-dev (Closes: #967257)
* Drop more unnecessary B-Ds.
Thanks to Robin Gareus <robin@gareus.org>
* Drop versioned B-Ds satisfied by old-old-stable
* B-D on libglibmm, libreadline, libxinerama and libxrandr.
Thanks to Robin Gareus <robin@gareus.org>
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